It's a free-for-all melee!

[Jim Doe]

Yay! Sir Dominic is back! ;D

Dominic said:

That's all I can think of right now and I know that a few of them weren't technically mutants

Nor or many of them actually X-Men, but we'll overlook that for the moment.

(by the way you are right he is a pansy-ass. )

Yah, you'd really think that the son of Magneto would be a little more . . . butch.

Professor X
How can Sonic beat him if he believes he's falling of a cliff of being eaten alive by maggots, mind over matter Jimmy boy!

Wizard magazine once had this article detailing the ten toughest characters in comics. Both Prof X and the Flash were on that list. Flash was much higher than Prof X because (I both quote and agree with) "Knowing the Flash is one-tenth of a nanosecond away from clocking you isn't going to do you much good. Bye-bye, Chuck."

Protous
With his ability to completely manipulate the first, second and third dimensions within a given area he could render Sonic’s speed completely irreverent.

True, but as I said before, Proteus is one of those folks on this list that isn't actually an X-Man.

The Phoenix
Do I even need to bother to explain this one?! ;D

Well, you need to at least explain which Phoenix he's going up against. The good M'Kran Crystal Phoenix and the Dark Phoenix, sure, they'd probably stomp him flat after a while. But regular ol' Jean Summers Phoenix? Not a chance.

And even with the super-powerful forms of Phoenix, it's within the realm of possibility. While she can travel from star system to star system hyper-fast and all, I don't think it was ever shown that she has jacked-up reaction times otherwise.

Gladiator
He's a hell of a lot faster than Sonic, being able to cross the solar system in minutes, if not seconds and he is almost invulnerable, not to mention his super strength.

However, his main weakness is that all of his powers stem directly from his own self-confidence. It's been shown before that if Gladiator can be made to doubt his powers for even a second, he's no more powerful than your average Joe. Even that punkass Cannonball managed to take this clown down once, all by himself!

Apocalypse
Ok I'll be honest I hate the guy, he looks like a clown and acts really, really stupid a lot of the time but none the less he cannot die 'ever' and so if they we're forced to fight he would eventually win because Sonic would get tired fighting constantly.

Pfft. If Cable can beat Apocalypse into submission, Sonic can.

[Dominic Hyde]

Yay! Sir Dominic is back! ;D

Yeah I'm back, the festive period is now well and truly over, however please don't call me Sir, I mean it is flattering and all but really there are several gents on this MB that deserve the title far more than I do, yourself included.

Nor or many of them actually X-Men, but we'll overlook that for the moment.

I know that but I did not know that was still an issue, you said,

The only mutant who could even hope to come close to whuppin' up on Sonic is Quicksilver, and he's too much of a pansy-ass to be any threat whatsoever.

Since Quicksilver is not an X-Man and you compared him to 'mutants' I thought you opened up the chance for me to challenge this statement...which I did!

Wizard magazine once had this article detailing the ten toughest characters in comics. Both Prof X and the Flash were on that list. Flash was much higher than Prof X because (I both quote and agree with) "Knowing the Flash is one-tenth of a nanosecond away from clocking you isn't going to do you much good. Bye-bye, Chuck."

Well I can't argue with you on that one, Professor X always took time to enter into someone's mind, time he really doesn't have.

Well, you need to at least explain which Phoenix he's going up against. The good M'Kran Crystal Phoenix and the Dark Phoenix, sure, they'd probably stomp him flat after a while. But regular ol' Jean Summers Phoenix? Not a chance.

Well at the time I was thinking of the M'Kran Crystal Phoenix but then again I always believed that there was no difference in terms of power between the M'Kran Phoenix and the Dark one, just a difference in personality and since personality is nullified in this situation in order to enable the characters to fight each other you really could use either. Also in order for the fight to be 'fair' you would have to have both characters each at their peak making the Phoenix a hell of a lot more powerful that we saw him/her/it most of the time anyway.

And even with the super-powerful forms of Phoenix, it's within the realm of possibility. While she can travel from star system to star system hyper-fast and all, I don't think it was ever shown that she has jacked-up reaction times otherwise.

I fail to see how this would make any difference, we are talking about the Phoenix, at peak performance, the idea that Sonic could in any way shape or form harm it is ludicrous. In fact he'd get burnt to buggery every time he took a swing at the Phoenix it being consumed in fire and all.

With regards to how the Phoenix would kill Sonic, it's fairly obvious, although Sonic would be able to dodge the Phoenix's fire blasts for a long time he would tire eventually and die, also assuming they are fighting in a sealed off area like a large stadium which would make sense to prevent outside influences tipping the balance, Phoenix could just engulf the entire area in flame, leaving Sonic nowhere to run.

However, his main weakness is that all of his powers stem directly from his own self-confidence. It's been shown before that if Gladiator can be made to doubt his powers for even a second, he's no more powerful than your average Joe. Even that punkass Cannonball managed to take this clown down once, all by himself!

This goes back to what I said earlier about the lack of personality, it is necessary to remove all traces of identity from a character in order to conduct the more 'fair' test of their abilities. The characters no one thing and one thing only, they must kill their opponent using the maximum force they can muster. This removes Gladiator's main weakness and therefore makes the outcome of the match decided before it's even begun.

Pfft. If Cable can beat Apocalypse into submission, Sonic can.

Sorry to keep repeating myself but this again goes back to the idea of no personally. You see Cable has been able to beat Apocalypse so many times not because he is more powerful than him but because Apocalypse is a moron, in fact he's so stupid you almost pity him.

You scream inside you head, why are you running away?! You can kill all of them easily by growing 50-feet tall and using your beam weapons to vaporize everything around you so why don't you do it?! He does in fact do just that on one occasion and ends up killing almost all the X-Men, along with Bishop before Cable changed the past to prevent it from happening. At other times he runs away without reason and stands back quoting revelations and screaming out, "strike them down my horseman!" The occasion when he did use his powers to their fullest was when the X-Men succeeded in really pissing him off and so he embraced his rage rather than, not wanting to personally struggle with such 'filth.'

It this, more practical, side to Apocalypse Sonic would face if they we're to fight and while there is not evidence to increased reacting times, like the Phoenix before him he could just wear Sonic out because he cannot be harmed.

Another point about Sonic being able to hog tie his opponent, would it really be fair for Sonic to get given an item of equipment and not the others? Would is make it a fair test of their powers if you did allow him some rope? I don’t think it would, however I still think Sonic could win anyway. He could kill Wolverine by first knocking him out cold and then while he's out Sonic could remove one of his long quills and then, at super Sonic speeds ram it through Wolverine's eye, going through the gap to bypass the skeleton and slicing his brain up good and proper. Even Wolverine would not be able to heal from that!

[Jim Doe]

Dominic said:

Yeah I'm back, the festive period is now well and truly over, however please don't call me Sir, I mean it is flattering and all but really there are several gents on this MB that deserve the title far more than I do, yourself included.

And I use "Sir" for all of them, too.

Since Quicksilver is not an X-Man and you compared him to 'mutants' I thought you opened up the chance for me to challenge this statement...which I did!

Oops, ya got me on that one. I thought I'd said "X-Men" rather than "mutant". On the Quicksilver issue, tho', he was a member of the team for a very short time.

Well at the time I was thinking of the M'Kran Crystal Phoenix but then again I always believed that there was no difference in terms of power between the M'Kran Phoenix and the Dark one,

There isn't, as far as I know. I was talking about the difference between M'Kran/Dark vs. regular ol' Jean Grey/Summers. The former Marvel Girl on her own would be taken out fairly quickly due to her lessened capabilities. The more powerful versions, tho', I completely agree . . . they'd burn Sonic to a toasty fritter.

just a difference in personality and since personality is nullified in this situation in order to enable the characters to fight each other you really could use either.

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This goes back to what I said earlier about the lack of personality, it is necessary to remove all traces of identity from a character in order to conduct the more 'fair' test of their abilities.

No one said that the nullification of personality was a factor. For one thing, it would actually make it less fair, as it would remove one advantage that a character would have without giving a comparable disadvantage to their opponent. Their personality can be a weapon just a surely as their intelligence or their strength or ability to shoot lasers from their eyes. Taking away one of their weapons certainly doesn't seem fair to me.

So, I stand by my decision that Sonic would be able to out-do Gladiator and Apocalypse.

because Apocalypse is a moron, in fact he's so stupid you almost pity him.

Heheh . . . quoted for truth. I've always loved the fact that he's supposed to be one of the worst enemies that the X-Men have ever been up against, but he's been working for thousands of years to take over the world and still hasn't managed it.

Another point about Sonic being able to hog tie his opponent, would it really be fair for Sonic to get given an item of equipment and not the others?

He wouldn't be given it, of course . . . he'd run off and find it. All the other characters would also be allowed to use anything around them as a weapon. In some cases (such as, say Gambit), it would be necessary for them to have access to different items in order to fight back effectively.

[wildfire]

My vote goes to Sonic, no question. Sure, Wolverine's got his claws and healing factor, but Sonic could jet straight into srtiking distance and blast him in the mouth, or perhaps split him lengthwise with a Sonic Spin. Sure, Wolverine can heal from it, but the factor isn't instant (last time I checked anyways I could be wrong. ).
Pheniox would be a challange, but her power is only nearly infinite. This one would surely be a battle of wills, and Sonic's never been known to give up. Besides, depending on the type of battle (free-for-all-melee or tournament) the other characters would more than likely all fight her at once, and one would eventually kill her. They would of course go on to destroy each other until Sonic was the only one standing... And yes, he would be the last. It's like Conner McLeaod always said...

"There can be only one."